Monday, June 30, 2014

Answers To Questions (LDS & Sky)

Thanks for the questions LL, and Sky is doing well.  The first week and a half of recovery were rough because he (along with everybody around it seems) is having the worst, ongoing case of allergies ever . . . and whenever he sneezed he killed his wounded head, ouch!

But, while it is still tender, all seems to be healing alright.  I think on July 8th they will try turning on the device to check out how its working....

Re the Mormon question.  It's true, these days many LDS have no idea what their church actually believes and teaches (at the higher levels) as doctrine and you will get 10 different answers on various important doctrinal topics from 10 different Mormons.  In the old days.... well, about 20-30 years ago, and back when I was in "the church" everybody there pretty well knew what the church and previous "prophets" taught and believed.  At that time, they did not really even want to be considered "Christian" as various of their leaders taught that indeed, the only "true Christianity" was to be found in the LDS church and all others were apostate. 

Not so long ago, President and "Prophet" of the church Hinckley plainly admitted that they (the LDS church) worshipped a DIFFERENT Jesus than the one of traditional Christianity: "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

But nowadays, "the Church" is trying to fit in with the world and all others and going big time "post-modern" "everybody has their own truth" . . . which, is actually causing lots of members to question and leave the "faith". . . .

And they no longer teach what were once accepted, well-known LDS doctrines, such as, church members can become gods of their own planets, Jesus and Lucifer/Satan are spirit brothers (as are we all literal "brothers and sisters" "children of god" who lived together in the "pre-existence". . . . And that polygamy is essential practice for someone to get to the highest "Celestial" kingdom of Heaven. . . . . And so on......

The Mormon(s) you talked to are typical of the uninformed, deluded, post-modern members of today.  BUT . . . those teachings I just mentioned above . . . STILL are the fundamental doctrines of "the church"--they have not been denied or renounced.  The church is just extra sneaky and duplicitous in overtly presenting them these days, because they have become so embarrassing and OBVIOUSLY not Christian..... And now they WANT to be considered "Christian" .  . . largely because of their ongoing aspirations for political power via, ie., the White House. . . . .

Here are a couple of quotes and references from some LDS books that were once considered standard and practically canonical which plainly teach what Mormonism has taught since the days of Joseph Smith:

"Our Father said, 'Whom shall I send?' (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, 'Here am I, send me'….Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, 'Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor' (Moses 4:1)." (Gospel Principles, 1997, pp.17-18).
"After hearing both sons speak, Heavenly Father said, 'I will send the first.' (Abraham 3:27)." (Gospel Principles [2009], 15).
"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Seventy Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, Melchizedek Priestood manual, 15).).
"In the grand council called to ratify the Father’s plan, a great difference arose. The majority, led by the First Born of the Father, our Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ, was ready to accept the plan with all its conditions. The minority, led by Lucifer, a ‘son of the morning,’ feared the isolation and the pains and ills of earth. For them Lucifer proposed that they should be sent to earth, but that provisions should be made by which they would suffer no pain and would not have to make any sacrifices. All of them would be returned with earthly bodies irrespective of their works on earth. This latter plan seemed desirable that one-third of those present favored it, in direct opposition of God’s plan. Lucifer and his followers were thrown out of the council, and as opponents of God’s plan, became the devil and his angels, who strive ever to tempt men to disobey the laws of God." (John A. Widtsoe, Joseph Smith - Seeker After Truth, pp.156-157)
"According to our teachings, Satan and an army of supporters were cast down to earth from the premortal spirit world. They are spirit brothers of ours, and are real persons having spirit bodies." (Mormon Apostle Joseph F. Merrill, Conference Report, April 1941, p.49)

1 comment:

Linda L. said...

Thanks for the update on Sky. Yeah, i could understand how allergies would really make his head hurt when he sneezed. Glad everything is healing ok so far. I'll continue to pray for him. Re LDS doctrine on Lucifer and Jesus and humans (wow!) brothers, thanks so much for all this info, including your posting after this of July 1. I usually do my own research, but had no idea where to begin since I know each succeeding prophet of the "Church" can change what is believed by Mormons. I know you usually cite your sources, but in my archives I could not find any references to Mormon doctrine, just some book on the History of the gospel in 50 years. These postings are great! I'll print them out and keep them with me to carry around. I thought the differences might be between pre-Temple and Temple-inducted Mormons. I can't even begin to show this to my friend/classmate because she considers herself and especially her fiance, experts. her fiance went to bible college sometime after that with my pastors of my church, and without even trying my church out (conservative Christian, bible-centered), plan to start their own church, probably in Salt Lake City! He's gotten a graphic designer job there that he's supposed to start in September. "All will be welcome, Mormons, etc." They think all churches are corrupt, but considering what she believes about Mormonism, I can't help but wonder what they will use as their authority on God? I too think everyone regardless of belief should be welcome in a church, in order to lead them to the truth of Jesus/God of the Bible. I could easily see my friend accepting Mormon beliefs into their church mixing it in with Bible.

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